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Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

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  • 07-31-2008 3:20 PM

    Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am


    I'm looking to get lots of seat time in this weekend. Been exploring east of the usual Frederick loop and have found some nice roads. I am still learning them and exploring new ones. This is an open invitation to anyone who wants to come along this Sunday, for the whole ride or even just part of the ride.

    Meet: Point of Rocks (POR) Chevron off of MD Rt 28. (1595 Bowis Dr, Point of Rocks, MD 21777) Google MAP
    Time: 8 a.m., on the road by 8:30.
    Duration: I'm riding all day and will stop for lunch, location tba. Since this is northcentral MD, you may bail at any time and get home pretty easily. I'm expecting to finish around 9 pm. If you have a camelback or equivalent, this might be a good ride on which to wear it.
    Pace: Ride your own ride, I will wait at stops and turns, no one is left behind. I don't know some of the roads that well so this is not gangsta (except every now and then). This will be more adventure than sport. If you're looking to rail, I suggest a different ride. On the other hand, I have done my homework and have avoided slabs and straight roads in the route.

    IMPORTANT: This is not a noob ride. While the pace may be dialed a couple clicks below gangsta, some of the roads are advanced and technical, and I want to hum along at a fun clip. Only come if you have some miles under your belt and/or can RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE. Looking to cover some miles.
    ~John
  • 08-01-2008 8:26 PM In reply to

    • nani
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    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

     Me and my brother + a friend are looking for a long sunday ride.  How many people are you expecting to show up?

  • 08-01-2008 10:37 PM In reply to

    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Right now it's me + 8 others and a bunch of maybes. It's probably going to be a big group, guessing maybe around 15 by go time. Some people say they'll drop out along the ride, however. Route will be between Harpers Ferry and I-95, above I-70 and I-695. I can tell you we won't be able to cook along like on Stan's recent ride to WV, but it's seat time at least in preparation for things to come. Will be happy to see you guys if you decide to join.

    ~John
  • 08-02-2008 2:28 AM In reply to

    • nani
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    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

     I will let you know by tomorrow.... My friends were planing a WV ride for sunday, is not a 100% yet though. And I just got my zumo 550. so I got all these nice routes now...

  • 08-03-2008 10:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    That was a good ride....
  • 08-03-2008 10:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

     

    That was a good ride....
  • 08-05-2008 5:16 PM In reply to

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    Re: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    The first 98% of it was great, new sites, new roads... The ending wasn't so hot though. Always hate to see a man go down. 

  • 08-06-2008 10:29 AM In reply to

    REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

     I arrived at about 8:20 at the POR chevron to a scene of about 16 bikes and riders. I forgot that MD 28 is closed just east of there and had to take the detour. (Last Summer called and wants the 28 closures back.) Like a complete idiot I also left without my camera. Anyway, while waiting for Malik, Mubeen, and Mohammed to get to POR I installed my GPS system which consists of directions written on paper tucked inside of a clear sheet protector taped with cellophane packing tape to my tank, and I tucked the maps safely inside my suit just in case we needed them later.

    I'd say we had just under 25 riders to begin with. Present (in no particular order) at the start was Roadrunner, REVIKE, Windblown, Speed3, Hlister, badguyGS, Jaxxx, jamstheman, mubeen, mohammed, 3IsEnough, pbrownw, Nani Brothers, aRRs, myblue750, SMB, EuroBikerTrash (on his new Aprilia!), and a few others I didn't catch names of. We even had a couple guys who happened to come by POR and join the ride. Then there was Bill who adopted us at Loch Raven and led the final, fatigued four on a blast through the hills north of balto and York County after a fill-up on Hartford road (MD 147).

    I think we got underway with the preride briefing at about 8:50 a.m. and rolled by 9. You know, it was Sunday--no need to be in too big of a hurry. The weather was absolutely superb, as most already know. Roadrunner and REVIKE both volunteered to help with the ride by sweeping, and I greatly appreciated that. Also a big thanks to badguyGS for taking over with sweeping when Roadrunner headed back home. These guys made turns and major road crossings a cinch, and we needed that with a group that large. Aside from the asshat (always at least one) in the 'vette who didn't want to yield to us with Craig there blocking, it worked flawlessly.

    We hit some nice Frederick loop roads early on to take us up to MD 75/Green Valley, including Jeff Road and Birdseed Road. Minimal traffic buzzkill except for the churchgoer who ruined jeff road for us. :shrug: Oh well. Then Glissans Mill, Harrisville, and Bloom were great. We worked our way east to Deer Park down through a finger of Liberty Reservoir, made our way up Ivy Mill, the second roughest road I've ever been on, then over to Reisterstown. From there we made our way north to Pretty Boy Reservoir where we hit the roughest road, which is Spooks Hill/Pretty Boy Dam.

    It was around 1 pm when we came off of Pretty Boy, and my wrists and knees were telling me it was definitely time for a lunch break. The silky smooth sweepers of 137/Mt. Carmel Road were a Godsend after getting shaken silly. Tired and hungry, we hit a little joint in Hereford just off of 45/York Road for sandwiches and burgers. This will probably become a usual lunch spot for this route. However, we may have to eliminate Spooks Hill and Pretty Boy Dam roads because they are just too bumpy. If they were smoother surfaced, holy cow. Those roads would be sweet. Beckleysville Road is kickass and will become the new crown jewel of the ride through Pretty Boy.

    After lunch we headed east on 138/Monkton and then south on Carroll. I think there is some exploring to do in the area Monkton cuts across. Stay tuned. Hit Paper Mill and then a nice run through Warren/Merrymans Mill. We worked our way down to Loch Raven Drive (the good section by the dam). Did a few runs on that. This is when we met Bill.

    If you have run Loch Raven, then you know it attracts tons of squids and posers who spend most of their time parked at one end or the other, watching guys like us run it. Well, I head back on my fourth pass and see a guy coming the other way in a suit and thought he was one of our group, but I couldn't figure out who. He said he saw us in gear and thought, "Finally, some serious riders!" So he turned around and came back to where we were collecting for the departure on to the next road. We chatted, and it became obvious very quickly that he knew his way around there, as he grew up in that area.

    Bill took us up Club Hill Road to 147/Harford. I could tell right away that he is a skilled rider with experience on the streets. REVIKE, 3IsEnough, and EuroBikerTrash broke off there after fueling, leaving Windblown, Jaxxx, badguyGS, and I with Bill. Bill then took us on some really nice roads going north and putting us on PA 851 headed east. This run began around 4 p.m., and the four of us were fatigued. Bill was fresh though, and the pace was pretty darn quick.

    We enjoyed a nice eastward run on 851 until the surface changed to a kind of marbly, almost grooved asphalt. When I say marbly I don't mean loose or pebbly or gravelly. It was solid with a textured surface, kind of like what they do to corners on some roads in West Virginia. My front end felt squirrely on it and I started taking it easy. I watched Bill, Windblown, and badguyGS disappear up a hill, shortly after passing a cruiser 2up followed by a squid on an R1.

    The road started to get twisty at Bryansville, I slowed, and then I found myself braking hard in a descending hairpin righthander on a steep grade. I just started thinking it was about the worst corner I've ever ridden when I rounded onto an unthinkable scene: rider under front bumper of pickup truck, bike laying under the farside guardrail. My first thought was that it was certainly no one I knew, but then I realized when I saw the white SV in the rail that it was badguy. It looked very very bad. badguy didn't look good, but he was in front of the front tires and I saw him move his arm before I got passed the truck.

    Reason grabbed hold right away, fortunately, and I quickly yet methodically set about the crash routine: stop in a safe place, check; bike still in 1st gear, check; kill it with killswitch, check; kickstand, check; let clutch out and make sure bike doesn't roll forward down the hill, check; put bike on kickstand and make sure it's stable, check; no traffic, check; run to badguy... Sounds like a lot but it only took me about 5 seconds.

    Got to Mike and first checked whether or not any part of the truck's weight was on him. No part of him was under either front tire so then I tried to determine whether either left limb had been run over. Didn't seem like it. I was asking Mike questions during all this, but he seemed a lot less than alert but more than completely unconscious. Driver of the truck was out and saying he stopped forward motion before Mike came to rest under the bumper. That was extremely good news. Also, no blood anywhere, and his leathers didn't look to be torn anywhere. He seemed to have movement but was keeping still as he got hold of the situation and what was going on.

    Meanwhile Jaxxx ran up the hill a ways to control traffic coming down hill around that turn, and the man and woman on the cruiser arrived and started helping out. The guy on the R1 stopped to help out too. Windblown and Bill had come back and were helping with traffic. A couple other cars had stopped on the uphill lane, and one driver came up with a first aid kit and a phone that was actually getting service down in the valley there. Windblown rode on up to the top of the hill to also get service and call 911.

    Things happened quickly. A sherrif's deputy was on the scene surpisingly fast, followed shortly by two ambulances and volunteer FD. Several more FD arrived and assisted the EMTs. Mike was responsive at this point and didn't seem too bad off. Since he had loss of memory, the EMTs made the decision to call in the Medevac and have him taken to the nearest trauma center in York. I rode up to the hospital, while Bill rode back down to his house for his truck and Windblown and Jaxxx stayed with the bike and gear. Those guys spent the next 2 or 3 hours waiting for PA SP to investigate and then made sure that the bike and gear were collected and secured at Bill's house. I can't say enough good things about that selfless effort for a fellow rider, and we were fortunate to have you guys there.

    By the time I reached the hospital, all the x-rays and such had been evaluated, and Mike seemed to be doing well. The doc said he had a sprained right knee but that was about it. Amen for gear! I hung out with Mike until his father arrived to take him home. Then I hopped on I-83 and made my way home, arriving at about 11:30 pm.

    I guess the question many of you will have is just how fast were we going through that section. I don't know how fast Bill, Windblown, and badguy hit it, but I can tell you that I had to get down to about 20 to feel ok in the turn before seeing the accident scene. Based on the minor injuries Mike sustained and the minimal damage to the bike, I speculate that Mike could not have been going much faster than 20 either when something just must have went wrong. The road surface was hard and slick, with the marbly texture I have attempted to describe. It's like mini-cobblestone. I'm sure that once you loose static friction, the surface is quite slick. In the end, the alertness of the truck driver to stop as soon as he saw the bike sliding saved Mike. Not only did he not run over him, but he also kept him out of the guardrail.

    What matters is that this ended well. I really don't think there are many coulda's or shoulda's.

    ~John
  • 08-06-2008 11:56 AM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Wow, thanks for the report John!

    I was gonna write up a crash report (the day was too long to write about all of it aside from saying it was a great day, thanks again Yes) but you seem to have done a better job than I could have.  Especially considering i wasn't awake for the whole thing...  I couldn't have said this better myself:

    OrangeShirtDude:
    I can't say enough good things about that selfless effort for a fellow rider, and we were fortunate to have you guys there.
     

    The first thing I remember after passing the couple on the cruiser is waking up on my back in the road with a lady getting ready to take my helmet off.  Things are spotty for a little while...I remember asking someone to put my helmet under my leg since my knee felt funny.  I thought it was broken.  I think I was completely back once they put me on the ambulance.  From what I can remember, everything at the scene seems completely surreal.  I still can't believe it happened, but maybe that's mostly because I don't remember the wreck. 

    Someone said they heard the truck driver say I slid with the bike into the guardrail, but then I bounced back into the road? Wow. I figured I just didn't slide as far as the bike did.  Bill said my helmet is cracked pretty bad, so I guess that explains the knockout.  Maybe I hit it on the guardrail?  Whatever happened, I'm just glad that I was riding with you guys.  And whoever had the idea to get my leathers off before they stuck me in the ambulance, I appreciate it...I can replace the underarmor stuff, the suit woulda been a little tougher, haha. 

    I'll be at the orthopedist this afternoon, so I'll post up what I find out and any good pics I might get.  For now, here's a pic of the scene that I got from Jaxxx, thanks for the memories manStick out tongue:

    not a good look

    Seriously, I really appreciate all you guys did for me that day.  Let's hope I never have to repay the favor, but if there's anything you need, let me know (as long as it doesn't involve using both my legs in the next few daysWink)

  • 08-06-2008 6:20 PM In reply to

    • L8RGYZ
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Yup, that looks like a mean turn. Glad you came out ok!

    I can keep it lookin' pretty....or I can ride it.
    Stop yakkin' & let's roll!
  • 08-06-2008 9:29 PM In reply to

    • zx600
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Nice long report OrangeShirtDude.  You had a lot of people show up for the ride.  Nice. 

    No camera, no gps, only directions taped on the tank with tape.  that's preparation for ya....Yes

    Mike I am glad you are ok and things worked out like they did.  That was a close call.  I am glad the truck driver was paying attention and was able to stop in time.   I would hate to see you getting run over.

     

  • 08-06-2008 10:05 PM In reply to

    • Windblown
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    zx600:

     I am glad the truck driver was paying attention and was able to stop in time.   I would hate to see you getting run over.

    You can that again!  When the local rider and I decided to back track to see what was up I saw Mikes feet sticking out from under the truck and was like "OH SHYT!!!!!!" 

  • 08-06-2008 10:29 PM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    OrangeShirtDude:

    when I rounded onto an unthinkable scene: rider under front bumper of pickup truck, bike laying under the farside guardrail.

     

    man thats got to be a terrifying site.  one of my biggest fears

    I'm just kidding. But am I lying?
  • 08-07-2008 12:35 AM In reply to

    • zx600
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    Windblown:

    zx600:

     I am glad the truck driver was paying attention and was able to stop in time.   I would hate to see you getting run over.

    You can that again!  When the local rider and I decided to back track to see what was up I saw Mikes feet sticking out from under the truck and was like "OH SHYT!!!!!!" 

    I am sure that was a freaky, heart dropping moment that will be stuck in your head for a long time.   
  • 08-07-2008 8:50 AM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    zx600:
    No camera, no gps, only directions taped on the tank with tape.  that's preparation for ya....Yes

     
    Not sure if you're serious or sarcastic. As much as I would like to get my hands on a Zumo 550, it's still a little ways off. The taped-to-tank method has served me well for quite a while. Also, I invested considerable map and scouting time before taking a group on this route, even a speeding ticket on I-70 after an evening scouting run. It was quite a lot of preparation, actually. Blood, sweat, and tears sorta thing.

    It was definitely worth the effort. We had a good ride with 23-24 riders with none of the most common group-ride CFs at all. I made sure to minimize route complexity, making decisions to exclude good road sections because of blind left turns on busy roads, etc. Taking a large group through a route is much different than yourself and a buddy or two. There is no stealth or quickness with a group of 20+ bikes, even if they're all sportbikes. Priorities are different, and the definition of a "good ride" becomes a matter of just keeping the forward momentum plus some twisties whenever possible.

    ~John
  • 08-07-2008 1:36 PM In reply to

    • zx600
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    OrangeShirtDude:

    zx600:
    No camera, no gps, only directions taped on the tank with tape.  that's preparation for ya....Yes


    Not sure if you're serious or sarcastic. As much as I would like to get my hands on a Zumo 550, it's still a little ways off. The taped-to-tank method has served me well for quite a while. Also, I invested considerable map and scouting time before taking a group on this route, even a speeding ticket on I-70 after an evening scouting run. It was quite a lot of preparation, actually. Blood, sweat, and tears sorta thing.

    It was definitely worth the effort. We had a good ride with 23-24 riders with none of the most common group-ride CFs at all. I made sure to minimize route complexity, making decisions to exclude good road sections because of blind left turns on busy roads, etc. Taking a large group through a route is much different than yourself and a buddy or two. There is no stealth or quickness with a group of 20+ bikes, even if they're all sportbikes. Priorities are different, and the definition of a "good ride" becomes a matter of just keeping the forward momentum plus some twisties whenever possible.

    I was just trying to be funny.  Here I go getting myself in trouble again with the comments. Don't be mad at me.Wilted Flower

    I hardly ever bring a camera out on rides.  I have never used a GPS on a bike, and I often use my tank bag so that I can read hand written directions when I am headed somewhere that I am not familiar with.  I am sure that you don't need high tech devices to pull off a ride.

    Sounds like you did lots of preparation for the ride and it went well for that amount of bikes.  Good job.  I have been on big group rides before and I know that a lot of time and effort goes into them.  Don't take my comment as criticism.  I just thought it was funny that a big ride included a piece of paper taped to a tank.   

     

  • 08-07-2008 1:43 PM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

     Wow, I didn't even think about the lack of left turns...you did a damn good job John! YesYes

     

  • 08-07-2008 2:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    damn mike i'm glad you are doing fine.  that sight of you being under the truck would of freaked me out.  how are you feeling now?  if you need anything let us know.

    -Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
  • 08-07-2008 2:15 PM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    STmaven:

    damn mike i'm glad you are doing fine.  that sight of you being under the truck would of freaked me out.  how are you feeling now?  if you need anything let us know.

     

    Thanks Mark, I appreciate it Yes  I would've crapped my pants if I saw someone laying under a truck like I was.  Everyone I was with did a great job of helping out.

    I'm actually feeling ok, but the doc said he thinks I've torn three ligaments in my knee.  I'm getting an MRI today to see what's what in there, so I hope the doc's wrong.  I'll keep folks updated 

  • 08-07-2008 3:12 PM In reply to

    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    zx600:
    I was just trying to be funny.  Here I go getting myself in trouble again with the comments. Don't be mad at me.Wilted Flower

    I hardly ever bring a camera out on rides.  I have never used a GPS on a bike, and I often use my tank bag so that I can read hand written directions when I am headed somewhere that I am not familiar with.  I am sure that you don't need high tech devices to pull off a ride.

    Hey no worries, Mang! Sounds like we're both LoFi oldschoolers on the same page. Heck, pasting a bunch of screen shots of google maps into powerpoint and shoving the prints into my suit was about as hi-tech as I've ever gotten. I did, however, just receive a tank mount for my minidv camera so I'm gonna go crazy with the vids (once I figure out how to youtube them). I'm psyched!

    ~John
  • 08-07-2008 4:06 PM In reply to

    • zx600
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    Re: REPORT: Long Ride, POR, Sunday, 8/3/08, 8 am

    yup...I have been stuck in LoFi for a while for some things.  Paper still works for me.  I have a GPS but I only use it for the car since getting lost on the bike is fun and I am not timing the rides.

    Watch out for youtube.  I have seen some people get hooked on creating videos.  You might as well post them up for dot come to see. 

     

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